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BMI figures

Posted by Sam Hall at April 08. 2010

What source should I be using to determine where my clients are 

situated in terms of their BMI?

I have 3 or 4 different text books + publications all saying slightly different things. And in 

some cases very different things. 

Should I just use the NZ MOH guidelines? I have noticed in some stats

they give they don't differentiate between male and female, just age group.

SAm

 

 

Re: BMI figures

Posted by Sarah Hobbs at April 12. 2010

Hey Sam,

In my experience as a Personal Trainer I haven't used the BMI scale; I was more inclined to use more specific data. For example I would take blood pressure to check general state of health, I would do girth measurements (at least 4 sites), and if the client wanted them I would do skin folds (but worked on the sum of seven rather than percentages).

This is something that as trainers we need to be educating out clients on, finding out what THEY want, then this is down to the trainer to select the most valid and reliable test.

I think there is a place for the BMI index but it would need to be used alongside other relevant data as well.

Re: BMI figures

Posted by Di Heap at May 18. 2010

B.M.I. does provide some information but it has big limitations. It doesn't differentiate between visceral (belly fat) fat and the regular subcutaneous fat that is acceptable.  It doesn't take into account ethnic differences - a big consideration in N.Z. as some cultures while (generalising here) carrying excess fat also carry a high muscle percentage.

Other factors are more important in my opinion, how the person feels about their size is an indicator even, waist to height measurement, blood pressure, B.M.R - of course you have to get an understand of this one to use it.  Muscle and fat %'s are useful as we know what the accepted norms are.  These can be obtained by pinch test or better still, if one has access to a Body Composition Analyser. (Just be a bit sus of the ones that are regular bathroom scales, I'm talking about real medical B.C.A. machine).

 

Re: BMI figures

Posted by Sarah Hobbs at May 18. 2010
Hi Di,

Interesting how you have identified that BMI has it's limitations as it doesn't take into account a number of variables you have mentioned above but you feel the figures (percentages) based on 'norms' used for body fat percentages are relevant? What I think is important from being a PT is not loosing yourself in the technical mumbo jumbo that is out there and keeping it relevant to the client. If it is as simple and getting the old fashioned tape measure out and doing the manual labour of taking some girths then to me this is far more reliable than a machine that will tell me I have X amount of body fat.....

 

 

 

Re: BMI figures

Posted by Di Heap at May 20. 2010

You've got it, Sarah. Clients know if they are feeling better, stronger, can do more. The know if they are getting results and it doesn't take any machine to tell them that (talking about regular people here, not athletes).  Losing or gaining weight or fat, gaining muscle shows with the mirror and the tape measure and how a person feels.  B.C.A. machines just give a printout - proof of results over a time period, say 3-6 months. They also can be useful to show nutrition status and other factors and are used mostly by hospitals.  They can also show up - Thin outside/Fat inside - the people who look thin but carry a high amount of visceral fat. A useful tool but just another tool, that's all.

Re: BMI figures

Posted by Lloyd Shaw at June 01. 2010
I find the educational side of a BCA test invaluable. To break the body down into composition for most people is a new way of viewing themselves. It can also show positive internal changes that may not be apparent on the outside.  Eg..  Woman who do resistance training but give up because they do not see results on the scales as fast as they thought.
 
When you put someone on a BCA machine, you are quite often doing it to fight a lack of education. 
 
A combination of ...
 
(a)  How you look naked.
(b)  How you feel.
(c)  BCA test.
 
Is an all round image + scientific way of teaching people how to view themselves. Because everybody has Body Dysmorphic Disorder to some extent.         
 
Do the % matter...
 
The excepted norms for body-fat % is based on how peoples health is effected long term. Based on thousand upon thousands of autopsy reports and more recently CAT scans. Sure there might be the odd freak of nature who can stay healthy despite excess body fat, but they are the minority. 99% of people will develop health issues if the ratio is unbalanced.
 
That can never be stressed enough.      
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